Showing posts with label Joe Darger. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Joe Darger. Show all posts
Thursday, April 24, 2014
JOE DARGER ON THE TABOO OF TALKING ABOUT SEX WITH ANOTHER OF HIS WIVES
"I consider my intimate relationships sacred and don't talk about them with anyone, which has left me feeling quite alone at times. When a problem surfaces, it's not as though I can go talk to another wife about it. That's really taboo for us. Besides making sure each intimate relationship is 100 percent private between the two of us, I have learned not to make my time with each wife all about the sexual experience. Otherwise, they assume that's my focus when I'm with the other wives, which only causes jealousy and competitiveness. If my wives thought my interest in them was only sexual, it would be difficult for them to trust each other and respect me. Having multiple relationships has reinforced for me that the intimacy a woman really craves involves being cherished and cared for, understood and valued."
Joe Darger pages 187-188
"Love Three Times" by Joe, Alina, Vicki, and Valerie Darger with Brook Adams which is copyright 2011 and published by HarperOne.
Wednesday, April 16, 2014
BECOMING SISTER WIVES and LOVE THREE TIMES : MISTRESS MANIFESTO BOOK REVIEW
Before you pack up and move to UTAH, consider these things which I've learned from the two books.
To be in an Independent Fundamentalist Mormon Polygamous Marriage:
1) You must be a woman who wants to have as many children as God allows, meaning you probably won't be using contraception and you could mother more than ten children and will be sharing those children with your SISTER WIVES. You may have those children at home with a midwife. If you have two sister-wives you will probably sleep with your husband every three days. If you have six sister-wives, you will probably sleep with him once a week. These men seem up to it. Having sister-wives is not keeping the population down. The men are spreading their gene pool.
2) So you really must want and enjoy and be able to cope with lots and lots of children. You must be a natural nurturer and a teacher, maybe even home schooling. You must have or develop a lot of patience and understanding.
3) You don't get your way much. Expect a life of self sacrifice. You'll be compromising a lot. You'll be working on your jealousy and love for you wife-sisters, but there won't be any sex with anyone but your shared husband, and one at a time. You'll be subject not only to your shared husband but you sister-wives. Some decisions will be made for you or are subject to not only family group decisions but reviews and permissions by committees, including the committees of church authorities.
4) Men such as husbands and fathers, as well as men church authorities, will decide if you are allowed to marry or allowed to leave (divorce) a husband. You will be judged by their values. There is no feminist movement here.
5) Financially, you may still have to work outside the home for pay to help support the family, but you may not be able to build a career which depends on staying put or transferring around the country. If you husband moves the family, you go with. You will probably have a work history/resume that is choppy.
6) Although you will have the support of your sister-wives when it comes to child care and finances, you will have near no societal support for your alternative arrangements and neither will your children outside your own church/community. Even some Latter Day Saint children will tease and discriminate in their friendships with your children. You may have to live a secret or double life, live in rural areas far from main stream culture, or be subject to investigation by governmental authorities.
7) You must be religious in a Fundamentalist Mormon (not Latter Day Saints) way. Without practicing the religion there is no point and it's only religion that makes this lifestyle respectable to a small percentage of the Western World.
The books are BECOMING SISTER WIVES The Story of an Unconventional Marriage by Kody, Meri, Janelle, Christine, and Robyn Brown C 2012 Kody Brown Entertainment LLC, published by Gallery Books and LOVE THREE TIMES Our Story of a Polygamous Marriage by Joe, Alina, Vicki, and Valerie Darger with Brooke Adams and is C 2011 by all those authors. The publisher is HarperOne.
To be in an Independent Fundamentalist Mormon Polygamous Marriage:
1) You must be a woman who wants to have as many children as God allows, meaning you probably won't be using contraception and you could mother more than ten children and will be sharing those children with your SISTER WIVES. You may have those children at home with a midwife. If you have two sister-wives you will probably sleep with your husband every three days. If you have six sister-wives, you will probably sleep with him once a week. These men seem up to it. Having sister-wives is not keeping the population down. The men are spreading their gene pool.
2) So you really must want and enjoy and be able to cope with lots and lots of children. You must be a natural nurturer and a teacher, maybe even home schooling. You must have or develop a lot of patience and understanding.
3) You don't get your way much. Expect a life of self sacrifice. You'll be compromising a lot. You'll be working on your jealousy and love for you wife-sisters, but there won't be any sex with anyone but your shared husband, and one at a time. You'll be subject not only to your shared husband but you sister-wives. Some decisions will be made for you or are subject to not only family group decisions but reviews and permissions by committees, including the committees of church authorities.
4) Men such as husbands and fathers, as well as men church authorities, will decide if you are allowed to marry or allowed to leave (divorce) a husband. You will be judged by their values. There is no feminist movement here.
5) Financially, you may still have to work outside the home for pay to help support the family, but you may not be able to build a career which depends on staying put or transferring around the country. If you husband moves the family, you go with. You will probably have a work history/resume that is choppy.
6) Although you will have the support of your sister-wives when it comes to child care and finances, you will have near no societal support for your alternative arrangements and neither will your children outside your own church/community. Even some Latter Day Saint children will tease and discriminate in their friendships with your children. You may have to live a secret or double life, live in rural areas far from main stream culture, or be subject to investigation by governmental authorities.
7) You must be religious in a Fundamentalist Mormon (not Latter Day Saints) way. Without practicing the religion there is no point and it's only religion that makes this lifestyle respectable to a small percentage of the Western World.
The books are BECOMING SISTER WIVES The Story of an Unconventional Marriage by Kody, Meri, Janelle, Christine, and Robyn Brown C 2012 Kody Brown Entertainment LLC, published by Gallery Books and LOVE THREE TIMES Our Story of a Polygamous Marriage by Joe, Alina, Vicki, and Valerie Darger with Brooke Adams and is C 2011 by all those authors. The publisher is HarperOne.
Wednesday, April 2, 2014
THOSE POLYGAMOUS HUSBAND-SHARING "SISTER WIVES" : SUBJECT OF THE MONTH
You may have watched Reality TV and seen Kody, Meri, Janelle, Christine, and Robyn Brown, or you may have heard media reports on the Independent Fundamentalist Mormons who live in compounds in Utah. (They're the sect that does not marry underage girls off to old Patriarchs.)
Why talk about this at all at MISTRESS MANIFESTO?
Well, I wonder, do you like me see the similarities and differences between these women and mistresses of a more traditional type?
Mistresses aren't always involved with legally married men. Sometimes they are kept by not legally married men or men who prefer to live unmarried. (And at this blog we also acknowledge that the relationships may not be heterosexual.)
Who is or isn't a mistress these days is not so clear.
More than one wife has found out she was sharing her husband with a mistress or two, unless he asked her about bringing another woman into their lives in advance of doing so, and she maybe helped pick out the mistress, like Yoko Ono may have when she suggested May Pang to John Lennon. (May Pang was Mistress of the Month here at Mistress Manifesto two years ago in April 2012!)
The majority of us in the Western or First World are raised to believe that there is only one kind of marriage and that is the marriage of one man with one woman. Any variation on that theme is considered to be wrong - bad - sinful. Yet, divorced parents integrate their children into new families, and children take on having two fathers and two mothers. While gay activists fight for the right to marry a member of the same sex, there are those who would like to see Polygamous marriages legal as well. I think it will happen.
In Polygamous marriages of the Independent Fundamentalist Mormon (not to be confused with the Latter Day Saints), the first wife is the legal wife. The other wives are married in their Church quite seriously and spiritually, but not legally, but with the full knowledge of the first and other wives.
I do wonder how these extensive families can afford to have this lifestyle financially. It seems that the men tend to own businesses or ranches or land and sometimes the women are also out working, supporting the family in a communal way. There has been some controversy about how the state and federal governments determine benefits for a family of say five wives and 35 children, but there are those who say Polygamy could not be afforded without those state and federal government benefits, help with medical care, food, and other costs, because in most of these Plural Marriages there are very many children.
There are a couple books you might want to read about the subject and you can sort of try out the lifestyle vicariously and decide if maybe you should be moving to Utah and converting to the Fundamentalist Mormon Faith!
One of them is called "Becoming Sister Wives" by Kody, Meri, Janelle, Christine, and Robyn Brown. (It's copyright 2012 and published by Gallery Books.) Another is called "Love Three Times" by Joe, Alina, Vicki, and Valerie Darger with Brook Adams which is copyright 2011 and published by HarperOne.
I've read both and am interested that the people involved in these marriages talk quite a bit about it as a "calling" and very spiritual. (Mistresses are called "Home Wreckers" and considered to be Evil, even when they preserve marriages.)
In the case of Kody Brown, he married his first wife Meri and they were together monogamously for three years before he married Janelle. In the case of Joe Darger, he married Alina and Vicki the very same ceremony.
As for sex, well, sometimes a man who has a Mistress is not having sex with his wife any more and that's one of his reasons for having an affair, if not a Mistress. The fact that the wife may not be interested in having sex anymore, but wants to continue as a wife in most other ways, may contribute to the fact that she understands and accepts the Mistress. Is there jealousy? Sometimes, maybe often or most of the time.
If you believe that you should have the entire focus of your spouse, any romantic relationships outside the marriage are a problem for you. I used to think that the place to find a faithful, loyal man was in church but what about this church?
Sister Wives must also be having sex with the same man at the same time and, it seems, mostly without using contraception, sometimes helping each other deliver the babies. Some of these Sister Wives have had children born in the same years. You may even be on a schedule to see your mutual husband, to have an evening of intimacy, and have to negotiate that with the other women when you need to do something else. Unlike many wives whose husband are off seeing someone, as a Plural Wife, you may know exactly where he is and who with all the time! Your children will all be co-siblings. Your daughters will probably also seek Plural Marriage.
THINKING ABOUT THIS, I would like to say that psychologists, preachers, and most parents (especially mothers) try to instill the idea that a woman deserves so very much today, and if she herself does not expect and get that so very much, the next question is of her self esteem. But we cannot all have our own way or everything we think we want or deserve.
Some mistresses have written books heavily invested in therapy and say that no woman with self respect or self esteem can become a Mistress. I note that these books seem to blame the women so much more than the men!
Yet, not everyone can be the Number One Priority.
There are even real Princesses, women of privilege from birth, among us who don't find themselves as Number One in their husband's esteem. More than other women, many married women feel themselves alone and neglected because their husband is married to his business.
Missy
C 2014 All Rights Reserved including International and Internet Rights
Missy Rapport / Mistress Manifesto
Why talk about this at all at MISTRESS MANIFESTO?
Well, I wonder, do you like me see the similarities and differences between these women and mistresses of a more traditional type?
Mistresses aren't always involved with legally married men. Sometimes they are kept by not legally married men or men who prefer to live unmarried. (And at this blog we also acknowledge that the relationships may not be heterosexual.)
Who is or isn't a mistress these days is not so clear.
More than one wife has found out she was sharing her husband with a mistress or two, unless he asked her about bringing another woman into their lives in advance of doing so, and she maybe helped pick out the mistress, like Yoko Ono may have when she suggested May Pang to John Lennon. (May Pang was Mistress of the Month here at Mistress Manifesto two years ago in April 2012!)
The majority of us in the Western or First World are raised to believe that there is only one kind of marriage and that is the marriage of one man with one woman. Any variation on that theme is considered to be wrong - bad - sinful. Yet, divorced parents integrate their children into new families, and children take on having two fathers and two mothers. While gay activists fight for the right to marry a member of the same sex, there are those who would like to see Polygamous marriages legal as well. I think it will happen.
In Polygamous marriages of the Independent Fundamentalist Mormon (not to be confused with the Latter Day Saints), the first wife is the legal wife. The other wives are married in their Church quite seriously and spiritually, but not legally, but with the full knowledge of the first and other wives.
I do wonder how these extensive families can afford to have this lifestyle financially. It seems that the men tend to own businesses or ranches or land and sometimes the women are also out working, supporting the family in a communal way. There has been some controversy about how the state and federal governments determine benefits for a family of say five wives and 35 children, but there are those who say Polygamy could not be afforded without those state and federal government benefits, help with medical care, food, and other costs, because in most of these Plural Marriages there are very many children.
There are a couple books you might want to read about the subject and you can sort of try out the lifestyle vicariously and decide if maybe you should be moving to Utah and converting to the Fundamentalist Mormon Faith!
One of them is called "Becoming Sister Wives" by Kody, Meri, Janelle, Christine, and Robyn Brown. (It's copyright 2012 and published by Gallery Books.) Another is called "Love Three Times" by Joe, Alina, Vicki, and Valerie Darger with Brook Adams which is copyright 2011 and published by HarperOne.
I've read both and am interested that the people involved in these marriages talk quite a bit about it as a "calling" and very spiritual. (Mistresses are called "Home Wreckers" and considered to be Evil, even when they preserve marriages.)
In the case of Kody Brown, he married his first wife Meri and they were together monogamously for three years before he married Janelle. In the case of Joe Darger, he married Alina and Vicki the very same ceremony.
As for sex, well, sometimes a man who has a Mistress is not having sex with his wife any more and that's one of his reasons for having an affair, if not a Mistress. The fact that the wife may not be interested in having sex anymore, but wants to continue as a wife in most other ways, may contribute to the fact that she understands and accepts the Mistress. Is there jealousy? Sometimes, maybe often or most of the time.
If you believe that you should have the entire focus of your spouse, any romantic relationships outside the marriage are a problem for you. I used to think that the place to find a faithful, loyal man was in church but what about this church?
Sister Wives must also be having sex with the same man at the same time and, it seems, mostly without using contraception, sometimes helping each other deliver the babies. Some of these Sister Wives have had children born in the same years. You may even be on a schedule to see your mutual husband, to have an evening of intimacy, and have to negotiate that with the other women when you need to do something else. Unlike many wives whose husband are off seeing someone, as a Plural Wife, you may know exactly where he is and who with all the time! Your children will all be co-siblings. Your daughters will probably also seek Plural Marriage.
Here is a link for the LOVE THREE TIMES site! LOVETHREETIMES.COM
Here is a link to a Blog called SISTER WIVES! THESISTERWIVES.BLOGSPOT.COM
Here is a link to a Blog called SISTER WIVES! THESISTERWIVES.BLOGSPOT.COM
THINKING ABOUT THIS, I would like to say that psychologists, preachers, and most parents (especially mothers) try to instill the idea that a woman deserves so very much today, and if she herself does not expect and get that so very much, the next question is of her self esteem. But we cannot all have our own way or everything we think we want or deserve.
Some mistresses have written books heavily invested in therapy and say that no woman with self respect or self esteem can become a Mistress. I note that these books seem to blame the women so much more than the men!
Yet, not everyone can be the Number One Priority.
There are even real Princesses, women of privilege from birth, among us who don't find themselves as Number One in their husband's esteem. More than other women, many married women feel themselves alone and neglected because their husband is married to his business.
Missy
C 2014 All Rights Reserved including International and Internet Rights
Missy Rapport / Mistress Manifesto
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